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NEMO ALERT

11/20/2006 4:15:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time

I have attached the finished product of our work on the

Australian fuel system. I have also enclosed another work, which

shows how to convert a newer vehicle to run on this fuel.

The purpose of this system is not to produce hydrogen from electrolysis but to

free up hydrogen and oxygen so that they may be bonded to incoming

nitrogen and create nitrogen hydroxide fuel gas which is very flammable

indeed.

We are sharing with a wide range of people worldwide. Actually as simple is it

is to build, it is a tedious and expensive venture. This is not a paint by numbers

deal. If you are going to build this system you are going to have to be highly

motivated and very mechanically inclined. We have given you a lot of

information and most of the persons who are reading this are not that technical

minded. If they want the system, they will have to find someone to build it for

them.

Become a member of a Yahoo group such as Watercar , Hydroxy , or Joe Cell , and

ask all the questions you want. Those sites are full of other people trying to

build systems also and they understand a lot of stuff and don't mind sharing

with serious folks.

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CAUTION : Working with new

fuels, even traditional fuels,

requires tech-expertise and

safeguard.

HISTORICAL:

Water Fuel

Internal Combustion Engine The

Australian Way. The "Nitro" cell

KeelyNet

Dad Garrett

FORUM 2 3 4 5 <<most

question/answer action here so

far

12/4/2006 5:16:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time

I just wanted you to know that a guy named Andrew on Watercar is going to

be selling the kit to build the Australian fuel system. I've attached a picture of

what he will supply . It looks like this thing is taking off. Take care. I'll check

with him and see if he is ready to give out his e-mail to a wider group.

12/4/2006 11:33:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time

Here is an Adams motor Russian style. Adams was prevented from

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manufacturing these in Australia and New Zealand. But they are now available

from Russia with love. What these are is a free energy electrical genereration

device. It takes a few volts to start it initially and then it runs forever

generating all the electricity a typical house will need and keeps them off the

grid. I have attached the link to the site . These are quite something. These were

not allowed to be manufactured in the US either. Have fun.

Australian Gov Memo / Interesting Stuff 12/3/2006 3:29:37 P.M. Pacific

Standard Time I ran into this on the web and thought of you. It's right down

your alley. Some of the links are bad but it is an eye opener.

QUESTIONS/RESPONSE

Could you give a summary of what is supposed to be happening in the

chamber? Why the different gases? If it's a vacuum, why the mix of gases?

Response:

We are legitimate and that is why we put together this set of documents. This

was pretty much a lost technology and we are trying to bring it out of the closet

so to speak so that everyone can look at it and replicate it if they so choose.

The truth of the matter is that nobody really knows why this system works, it

just does. This is a totally unconventional system . It shouldn't work but it

does. The more vacuum pulled on the chamber, the more fuel gas output. The

more vacuum pulled on the chamber, the more nitrogen is needed and it is

drawing into the chamber through an air inlet valve on the end plate as needed.

Something about the electrolytic action on the water and salt mix, magnetic

action of the wire coil and vacuum serve to speed up the reaction process.

These various actions are reacting on the water and salt mixture which is

causing outside nitrogen from the atmosphere to want to enter the cell and

react with the water and salt mixture forming nitrogen hydroxide, the fuel gas

referred to here. The magnetic wire wrap helps strip gas bobbles from the

anode and cathode of the chamber so that more gas bubbles can be produced.

As I said, we don't know why this works, it just does. We did not invent this

technology but we have brought it out of the closet again, so that it can be

enjoyed and replicated if desired.

Some very strong folks had suppressed this technology and we are doing our

best to revive it.

Howdy Kent: I have two questions well maybe three.

1. Doesn't the addition of salt create chlorine gas in the process?

2. Is the gas produced combustible when leaving the apparatus?

3. How did they determine it was nitrogen hydroxide?

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This device doesn't look any different from the designs I've made or the ones

on the forum I provided. Why would the unit produce a gas different from the

ones already tested?

A note of caution is in order: Most of these systems produce hydroxy gas which

is very explosive even in small quantity. The use of a bubbler between the

production vessel and the motor are needed to prevent the cracker from

blowing up in a back fire (common when using hydroxy).

Response:

1.) Chlorine gas is not an issue here since there is a lot of incoming nitrogen

that reacts with the cracked molecules in the chamber.

2.) Yes

3.) Fuel gas was tested and found to be nitrogen hydroxide gas. As with any

reaction, there are always other gases involved.

I still think HMMM. Does it have more nitrogen than normal electrolysis?

And how does it differ from other units it looks exactly the same. If the

nitrogen is high enough it shouldn't burn straight out of the electrolyzer hence

it is still explosive.

That is one of the large points to nitrogen hydroxide.

Response:

Electrolysis is kind of a misnomer here. The purpose of this system is not to

produce hydrogen from electrolysis but to free up hydrogen and oxygen so that

they may be bonded to incoming nitrogen and create nitrogen hydroxide fuel

gas which is very flammable indeed.

The more vacuum applied to the chamber from the engine, the more nitrogen is

drawn into the chamber from the outside atmosphere and that nitrogen bonds

with the oxygen and hydrogen to produce the nitrogen hydroxide fuel gas,

which we are going to use as our fuel instead of petrol.

So how is this different from all the units I've built and tested and all the others

out there?

Your setup is almost exactly the same as all the others but they don't claim

nitrogen hydroxide. If there where enough nitrogen for this claim the gas

wouldn't burn straight from the unit say on a welding tip. It would need the

addition of O2 but because it would disperse into the atmosphere to quickly you

wouldn't produce a flame that stayed if it produced one at all.

Do you post on [ link to oupower.com ] if not you should.

Response:

There are few different things going on in this system that you don't see in any

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of the other systems.

1) You've got electrolytic action on a very weak electrolyte.

2) You are using stream water and a very few grains of rock salt as a one time

catalyst.

3) You are only reacting 12 volts DC on the chamber mixture.

4) You are pulling a lot of fresh air into the chamber which is mostly made up of

nitrogen.

5) Once the chamber has been run for a while it generates approximately 13.7

volts on its own, just like a battery.

6) Unlike the other systems out there, the fuel gas is nitrogen hydroxide and

not oxygen and/or hydrogen.

There are some very interesting nuances about this system that are really

unlike anything else out there. The other systems may be close but there is no

cigar. Check the other systems out, most of them are trying to make steam.

They are frying the water with extremely high voltage; they are pulsating the

water at different frequencies; etc...

Don't fight this thing. It is costing you nothing. Just go out there and build it

and prove to yourself that it does work. It is a free gift for the world from the

inventor and a few helpers.

Hey thanks for the info: Although you may find a lot of people using this very

system. I have built around 20 different configurations plate type, tube type,

spiral cores all using 12v and between 2 and 20amps. I have tried different

spacing different materials from cheap stainless to high grade 316. All worked

about the same and nowhere near enough volume to run an auto engine

although they did produce significant gains. Yep I've even tried creek water

although that can make a real mess in the bottom of the reactor vessel.

How much volume are you producing on a single unit?

The one material that produced the highest volume was the stainless skin from

a 60s era jet fighter.

Good luck with it and if you can find a way to keep it from freezing let us all

know. That's why it's off the truck for the winter. It gets damn cold here.

Response:

As you said, there are a lot of similar working systems out there, especially in

Australia. Once you get one in your car though it isn't healthy to talk about it,

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